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PD Moderator	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 2:25:09 PM Ignore PD Report Abuse Motiva, a joint venture between Royal Dutch Shell and Saudi Aramco, recently attempted to start operations at the expanded portion of the refinery and were met with trouble. Today we learned, according to various sources as well as Reuters, that the new expansion has been virtually ruined, and may be closed for repairs for months, or even a year or more. You'll recall that June 14 we wrote how a small fire was impacting operations at the plant, and we had mentioned corrosion as a cause. After a second fire in virtually the same spot, refinery operators knew something was amiss with the plant. Upon further investigation, and now confirmed by Motiva, the plant will be down for a significant amount of time. The expansion... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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Motiva, a joint venture between Royal Dutch Shell and Saudi Aramco, recently attempted to start operations at the expanded portion of the refinery and were met with trouble. Today we learned, according to various sources as well as Reuters, that the new expansion has been virtually ruined, and may be closed for repairs for months, or even a year or more.

You'll recall that June 14 we wrote how a small fire was impacting operations at the plant, and we had mentioned corrosion as a cause. After a second fire in virtually the same spot, refinery operators knew something was amiss with the plant. Upon further investigation, and now confirmed by Motiva, the plant will be down for a significant amount of time.

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lonniei256 Veteran Author Georgia Posts:337 Points:192,395 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 10:12:04 AM Ignore lonniei256 Report Abuse Ok.
stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:819 Points:20,605 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:08:46 AM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse sad
jlf599 Veteran Author Kentucky Posts:339 Points:126,925 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jul 12, 2012 11:53:25 AM Ignore jlf599 Report Abuse Even though it's not been used, my guess is they'll figure a way to figure that into causing a gas shortage somehow...
travelling2012 Rookie Author British Columbia Posts:21 Points:3,435 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2012 9:59:16 PM Ignore travelling2012 Report Abuse fishy
stonecold5005 All-Star Author Waco Posts:819 Points:20,605 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2012 5:34:02 PM Ignore stonecold5005 Report Abuse old nems
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,487 Points:1,507,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2012 9:10:31 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse not nice
Timons All-Star Author Houston Posts:717 Points:511,755 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2012 5:16:09 PM Ignore Timons Report Abuse So - who (or what) will receive the blame for this fiasco?
pilotmass Champion Author Boston Posts:1,966 Points:529,335 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2012 11:42:24 AM Ignore pilotmass Report Abuse This will cause corrosion......or so I'm told. That can't be good.
heydano67 Champion Author California Posts:1,806 Points:385,235 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 2:26:53 AM Ignore heydano67 Report Abuse Truly sad.
heydano67 Champion Author California Posts:1,806 Points:385,235 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 2:26:02 AM Ignore heydano67 Report Abuse Truly sad.
BDogg007 Rookie Author Tampa Posts:22 Points:562,315 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:43:26 AM Ignore BDogg007 Report Abuse this is a sad case of "a little goes a long way"
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,082 Points:537,765 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:06:06 AM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse Critical parts were probably counterfeit; installed in order to make bigger profits! Corruption abounds, truth is becoming a lost art! Critical parts maybe should have been made from titanium vice iron, as steel corrodes. Even so, steel in a new plant should not have corroded prior to start of operations.
satrn38mpg Champion Author Raleigh Posts:5,202 Points:1,079,665 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 6:21:25 PM Ignore satrn38mpg Report Abuse old news >
SignGod34 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:35 Points:16,060 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 4:10:30 PM Ignore SignGod34 Report Abuse Bunch of crap
ToriB All-Star Author Washington Posts:973 Points:146,030 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 3:07:49 PM Ignore ToriB Report Abuse That's right! Another EXCUSE for robbing the public!!
ibhenry Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,536 Points:463,345 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 3:05:22 PM Ignore ibhenry Report Abuse Old news. Nothing to see here people...
repeater1 Champion Author Topeka Posts:8,437 Points:2,392,525 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:58:57 PM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse Another fine example of Quality Control being missing.
rbrowdersr Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,837 Points:1,842,480 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:57:46 PM Ignore rbrowdersr Report Abuse An excuse to raise prices?
idigau22 Champion Author Washington Posts:23,602 Points:3,228,610 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:57:41 PM Ignore idigau22 Report Abuse That's what they get for buying parts from CHINA!!!!!!
fenster66 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:3,485 Points:700,815 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:55:48 PM Ignore fenster66 Report Abuse very unfortunate...
kelly1016 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,953 Points:353,065 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:51:26 PM Ignore kelly1016 Report Abuse This is a problem. I wonder when gas prices will go up and this used as the excuse.
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BMRR Champion Author Maine Posts:2,714 Points:1,477,765 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:41:46 PM Ignore BMRR Report Abuse Was BP involved?
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Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,332 Points:816,710 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:36:01 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Not good ....
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FreeeBee Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:343 Points:227,995 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:32:19 PM Ignore FreeeBee Report Abuse too bad, but gas prices are going down yet..
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:8,158 Points:2,597,750 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:32:11 PM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse Very poor design.
bigsranch Champion Author Houston Posts:3,282 Points:1,032,205 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:32:08 PM Ignore bigsranch Report Abuse They were in a rush to take advantage of high prices / limited refining capacity. Oops.
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garman87 Champion Author Austin Posts:3,313 Points:2,399,655 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:28:30 PM Ignore garman87 Report Abuse Never heard a new plant closing for a year.
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tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,579 Points:2,372,235 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 2:08:00 PM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Murphys law at work again! If there are concentrations of an acid or base with high temperatures (700F), confined within equipment and stainless steel piping, things will happen. Some good Hazard Analysis, Risk Assessment and Inspections needed at every step of the process? This is Not a good thing for gas prices or Port Arthur, Texas! Many parts to replace and lots of money to be spent for man hours worked to get this refinery working properly. The refinery was so close to being started but unknowingly so very far away. With all the negative comments about the West Coast, with the Cherry Point, Wa. refinery fire and the high gas prices, maybe some of those Big mouths can make negative comments about Texas and this refinery. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012
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