Gnusman53

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:07:35 AM
just be glad you aren't in Houston....
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Gnusman53

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:06:18 AM
actually Fresno's problem is tied to several things -- including the blowing of pollution from the bay into the central valley.... and the central valley is loaded with dust and other airborne particulates
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jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 2:59:54 AM
This is not good.... just be thankful you're no in Beijing China.
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mpg611

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 12:54:59 AM
High gas prices have taken a toll on my piggy bank.
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DanMtz

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:47:27 PM
And our air is a whole lot cleaner than the Central Valley's air.
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 5:59:25 PM
Yes, pollution is bad for children with asthma, all children and adults, too. What a surprise. Unfortunately, those who live near refineries are low income people who cannot afford healthcare.
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YumaFellow

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Arizona
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 2:29:32 PM
This is one of the hidden costs of continuing to use fossil fuels--a common theme in my posts. Health care costs make the cost of using coal, for example, much higher than other fuels. It is just that the price of the needed health care does not get included in the market price. If it did, renewables would look better to more people in the marketplace.
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schatzila

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 12:25:55 PM
Why isn't Los Angeles on this list? Our pollution should be higher than up north.
[Edited by: schatzila at 2/12/2013 12:26:20 PM EST]
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lgwhitlock

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Chico
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:09:11 AM
I am sure the same is true of any heavily populated area. At least being near the bay their air tends to get cleaned out more than inland areas...
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teenitup

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Houston
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:49:12 AM
Good points BurntOrange. This story is a yawner as far as facts go.
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BurntOrange

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Austin
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 9:36:04 AM
Absolutely zero data in this article to tie pollution to the increased incidence of asthma.
Rates are higher in Fresno? Why is that?
In Austin, we have very high levels of asthma. Since outbreaks are highly seasonal, evidence supports it being related to increased pollen in the air, particularly ragweed and juniper (aka cedar fever).
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BEGTWO

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:53:51 AM
Not Good!
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el_fr

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:37:22 AM
Time to move
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mastermariner

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Texas
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:05:44 AM
It will take a toll on any one
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 6:50:01 AM
i wonder how much gas is there ?
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Radar1992

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Florida
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 6:49:39 AM
With all the electric and hybrid cars in the Bay Area...how is this possible?
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Lugi1967

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 6:24:55 AM
ok
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 5:18:28 AM
Pollution takes heavy toll on Bay Area children with asthma! Some people are affected with atmospheric pollution more than others. Before 1990 or earlier, some vehicles were still on the road and belching black smoke and were not very fuel efficient. I drove some of those vehicles and it was not uncommon to try to breathe on the street while walking, riding a bycycle or a motorcycle and not smell noxious fumes, smoke or bad smells from passing vehicles. It would leave you gasping for clean air many times. Times are much better now! The atmosphere did not have very clean air to breathe and you did Not want to live downwind of refinieries or some manufacturing plants. The coal burning plants in England, at the start of the century, were some very bad polluting places to live downwind and people died early. If you or your children have breathing 'problems' try to move to a 'cleaner' location. Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
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pscamp

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 5:00:05 AM
Sigh...
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Luckylindy

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:36:00 AM
In Kalifornia, how can that be?
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Z06KY

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Louisville
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:25:42 AM
Give California back to Mexico?
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quasar502

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:21:15 AM
Big health bills down the road.
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Robert44

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:21:14 AM
Obamacare is the answer.
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TravelinMan52

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Augusta
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:18:27 AM
I'm sure this is growing into a widespread problem...
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dongo50

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:17:25 AM
hmm
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jethro5000

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:14:41 AM
Oh boo hoo
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molebaby96

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:12:20 AM
Move.
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NotTom

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:06:54 AM
ok
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afghaned

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Hamilton
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:00:44 AM
CA is its own worst enemy.
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Pozole

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Portland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:59:14 AM
...people are a commodity in the way of profit...oh, wait, I thought that was other species we were stepping on...
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VB_Richard

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:57:50 AM
Not surprised, many things are ignored if its not in your back yard.
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jcdakota

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Baltimore
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:55:00 AM
Catalytic converters aren't the answer?
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RENEGADEGAS

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:50:56 AM
abacus44 ... Yep but it only affects children. On re-reading this article, I can see also that it still has nothing to do with gas or energy prices.
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DrCashFlow

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:43:46 AM
China's awful pollution may prove to be its ultimate undoing
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Gnusman53

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:42:51 AM
Nah comprof... we rely on you for that.... (grin)
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SHEP20715

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:36:38 AM
The owners of factories and refineries, do not care about the health of people. There only concern is profit. Yet idiots want to deregulate them, I guess they don't like clean air.
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abacus44

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Toms River
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:31:22 AM
From the headline, can we assume that pollution has no impact on children elsewhere?
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TIGERPAW46

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Florida
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:29:48 AM
We do need to minimize all pollution. At the same time we can't return to pre industrialisation times.
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gougenator

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:28:13 AM
Calismogya!
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stefanwaggoner

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Bakersfield
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:28:00 AM
Worse than china some days with all the smog
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WaWanderer

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Washington
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:26:17 AM
California smog is bad.
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stratlinetime

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Kalamazoo
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:20:31 AM
I guess if you like the city life
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PetroScopper

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Houston
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:19:31 AM
A beautiful area, but far too many people in such a very small space! Maybe the focus needs to be on more public transportation.
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billy44bo

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Mobile
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:18:36 AM
HA4CNN hit the marke here. It would help the kids and screw opec at the same time. Win Win
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HA4CNN

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:16:05 AM
It is time to start running those cars on natural gas.
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findcheap

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:14:45 AM
it's advertised on San Francisco buses
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madison8359

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:12:24 AM
The price we pay for our addiction.
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Bruno44

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Texas
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:12:15 AM
I will stay in Texas.
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twobroke61

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:11:46 AM
not good
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CiVX

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:09:59 AM
All to run a port that's importing 90 percent of our consumer goods making them too poor too move away.
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